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    Long scale is better than short scale

    Permalink | Author: Dan Dart | Published: 2025-01-14 23:38:45 UTC | Tags: american billion british english iso long million numbers scale short silly thousand tongue-in-cheek uk us usa


    Hi!

    It's been a bit since I've posted anything quite as substantial, so here we go!

    I was brought up with what we were led to believe was the "British/French" system of numbers, known as "long scale", which many countries still use, as opposed to the "American/German" version, which apparently Britain now uses, also known as "short scale".

    The difference? The powers of ten:

    10^n 1000^n Short scale Million^n Long scale, -ard Long scale, thousand
    3 1 Thousand 0.5 Thousand Thousand
    6 2 Million 1 Million Million
    9 3 Billion 1.5 Milliard Thousand million
    12 4 Trillion 2 Billion Billion
    15 5 Quadrillion 2.5 Billiard Thousand billion
    18 6 Quintillion 3 Trillion Trillion
    21 7 Sextillion 3.5 Trilliard Thousand trillion
    24 8 Septillion 4 Quadrillion Quadrillion
    27 9 Octillion 4.5 Quadrilliard Thousand quadrillion
    30 10 Nonillion 5 Quintillion Quintillion
    33 11 Decillion 5.5 Quintilliard Thousand quintillion
    36 12 Undecillion 6 Sextillion Sextillion
    39 13 Dodecillion 6.5 Sextilliard Thousand sextillion
    42 14 Tredecillion 7 Septillion Septillion
    45 15 Quattuordecillion 7.5 Septilliard Thousand septillion
    48 16 Quindecillion 8 Octillion Octillion
    51 17 Sexdecillion 8.5 Octilliard Thousand octillion
    54 18 Septendecillion 9 Nonillion Nonillion
    57 19 Octodecillion 9.5 Nonilliard Thousand nonillion
    60 20 Novemdecillion 10 Decillion Decillion

    ...etc.

    The details of this table is probably my best backup as to why I prefer long scale to short scale.

    As you can see, the long scale directly comes from the Latin of the power of a million, but short scale comes from what seems to be a hack: "a thousand times the power of a thousand"? "One less than the power of a thousand"?

    If you're intent on using a thousands-based system, I have suggested a "power of a thousand" name below,with the added benefit that it divides directly into the long scale without having to add such a "hack factor"!

    10^n 1000^n Silly name
    3 1 Thousand
    6 2 Bisand
    9 3 Trisand
    12 4 Quadsand
    15 5 Quintsand
    18 6 Sexsand
    21 7 Septsand
    24 8 Octsand
    27 9 Nonsand
    30 10 Decsand
    33 11 Undecsand
    36 12 Dodecsand
    39 13 Tredecsand
    42 14 Quattuordecsand
    45 15 Quindecsand
    48 16 Sexdecsand
    51 17 Sepdecsand
    54 18 Octdecsand
    57 19 Nondecsand
    60 20 Viginsand

    This is obviously very tongue-in-cheek, but it's one of the times that a common usage of numbers (which I like very much) has disappointed me.

    Till next time.



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    Algebra is not hard

    Permalink | Author: Dan Dart | Published: 2018-07-10 11:30:00 UTC | Tags: algebra apples arithmetic counting difficulty fruit letters manipulation mathematics maths numbers oranges shorthand variable


    If I were to tell you that I was taking two apples and three oranges home, you'd know what I mean.

    Algebra's the same.

    You'd know that if I told you that my friend Geoff (I don't have a friend called Geoff) came home with three more apples and five more oranges, that we would have a fruit party, because we're pathetically hungry.

    Using algebra is just the same as having shorthand. Maybe it's not the concept, but it's the shorthand that bothers some people?

    I don't know that if algebra is difficult for one person then arithmetic is also difficult, but do let me know if it is this way for you!

    All algebra's doing is giving things shorter names so that they can be manipulated more quickly. Perhaps that's where the issues start?

    If this therefore confuses you, it may be something deeper.

    I'm going to have the letter "r" short for oranges here, as having "o" is too much like zero:

    2a + 3r + 3a + 5r = ?

    Is it easier if I write it in words?

    Two apples, and three oranges, and three more apples and five more oranges, is how many of both?

    In real life you'd know to count apples together and oranges together, and even if you do it one by one, I'm struggling to see where the difficulty is in that.

    Is the difficulty having symbolic metaphors? (I have to use πŸ”Ά for oranges because Blogger doesn't know about them).

    2🍏 + 3πŸ”Ά + 3🍏 + 5πŸ”Ά = ?

    Would one have to count them out to make more sense?

    πŸπŸπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸπŸπŸπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”Ά = ?

    That's now just simple rearrangement. Is that somehow easier? So, I move some around and...

    πŸπŸπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸπŸπŸπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”Ά = πŸπŸπŸπŸπŸπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”ΆπŸ”Ά

    Ta-da!

    (I wonder how much all of that costs...)

    So I really struggle to understand which bit of algebra is difficult for people. Any thoughts, anyone?



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    Unknown (URL) said on 2019-03-09T18:47:48.136Z:

    Fair enough, Daniil. I was only referring to the substitution and basic algebra that people learn in school the first time they do it. Of course there are harder parts, but I only meant the actual understanding was a letter meant a number that can be indefinite. But fair point nonetheless.


    Daniil Baturin (URL) said on 2018-08-23T19:04:35.154Z:

    I'm not sure if anyone is having a problem with this part. I can see how manipulating polynomials, especially the long division, can feel highly unusual to people.

    Besides, algebra _is_ hard. ;) The fundamental theorem of algebra remains magical for people until much later, when they learn complex analysis, and they have to just believe it. Proving whether a number is algebraic is still a black art.



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