On Lying (Again)
Permalink | Author: Dan Dart | Published: 2021-11-05 15:07:12 UTC | Tags: gains lies lying meaning truth truthfulness
A couple of years ago, I made a blog post: The categories of truthfulness of information. I'm now finding that some of that information is viewed not quite as I had written.
Lies
So I've recently been researching the meaning of lying, and there seems to be quite the divide.
On one hand, some believe that lying is a deliberate act, and some believe that it directly translates to "untruth", whether deliberate or accidental. What is your understanding?
Would I be lying if I told you something I legitimately believed, which turned out not to be true? Are people actually invested in pseudoscience lying, or is it just the people who told them that?
As soon as I get this blog ready with comments again, I shall also add the ability to poll, so you can easily tell me your side of the story.
That's all for now.
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Is telling a falsehood always a lie?
Permalink | Author: Dan Dart | Published: 2021-10-08 23:13:54 UTC | Tags: False communication lying
Alright, do you see lying as to communicate deliberately what you don’t believe, or to communicate deliberately what isn’t true?
So in other words, is it a lie for someone to unwittingly pass on false information, or are they not lying because they genuinely believe it?
My view on it is that if I were told that Mercury was the hottest planet (a falsehood) and believed it, then told someone, I wouldn’t be lying, even though I’d been misinformed?
Is that the consensus, or would people instead say that lying is based on whether or not something is actually “true” and that I had actually unwittingly lied?
Doesn’t really make sense to me that unwittingly lying is a thing, because one does believe it and isn’t trying to deceive.
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The categories of truthfulness of information
Permalink | Author: Dan Dart | Published: 2019-06-15 16:17:00 UTC | Tags: danganronpa detector falsehood falsehoods kokichi lies lying mistake mistakes nonsense oma truth truthfulness unknown unknowns
I keep hearing so much about the distinction between truth and lies. People say that things that aren't objectively true are "obviously lies". This isn't so, and there's a lot of different levels of truth.
What inspired me to write this was the detective visual novel and anime Danganronpa series, specifically the character Kokichi Oma, who uses lies to deceive playfully, and is often not known to either be telling the truth or lies. Other parts in the series revolve around finding truth using either other truths or lies.
However, there's a lot more fine detail to the level of truthfulness of information, that I'll briefly cover here.
Truths
Generally true facts
Things that are generally agreed upon that it is impossible to absolutely verify (at least for now), such as observations about the universe, and deductions based on it. This includes things "as far as anyone can tell".
Examples:
- We are living in a galaxy.
Specifically / subjectively true facts
Based on experience, what a person may internally observe, remember or prefer, whether or not what they remember is verifiable. This may not necessarily be a truth for everybody. Opinions are included in this.
Examples:
- I am writing a blog post.
- I like sushi.
- Any kind of delusion is an example, because the speaker genuinely believes it.
Unknowns
Rumsfeld Known Unknowns
Something that is known to be unknown, either for now or always.
Examples:
- I do not know whether my great-great-great-times-a-thousand-grandfather had three or fewer children.
Rumsfeld Unknown Knowns
What is not known to be known.
Examples:
- "It was right in front of our nose the entire time!"
Rumsfeld Unknown Unknowns
What is not known to not be known - at all, without any reference or guesses.
Secrets
What is known up to the specifically true range, but hidden and not explained, to protect people, data or knowledge. This information may later be leaked if it is not protected well enough, or deemed later to be not necessary to protect.
Falsehoods
Mistakes
Often misattributed as lies, somebody may think that they know something, but they get it wrong, either by mis-remembering, citing an incorrect source or being told by somebody who also made a mistake.
Lies What is known up to the specifically true range, but deliberately obfuscated or told wrongly. There are several broad reasons for lying.
Malicious lies
Told to deceive, confuse, avoid consequences, or to protect secrets or feelings
Political lies
Told by many to get out of trouble.
Religious lies
Told to ensure loyalty, or to induce fear and panic.
Forced lies
Told to ensure an authority will not punish the liar.
Deluded lies
When the alternative to lying is too painful, physically or mentally, but the liar knows that it is a lie. Different to a delusion, which is a personal truth.
Playful lies
Told for fun, such as playing pretend, spreading chaos or to make things interesting. Often not serious in the slightest.
Non-categorised
Things that cannot be rated in terms of truth because they don't relate to a statement, such as a question.
Nonsense
Things that cannot be understood at all.
Let me know if I missed anything or if you think something should be changed!